March 5, 2010

Can anyone tell me if this is usual for a dog rescue, please?

A UK Labrador Rescue accepted me as a temporary 'foster' carer and this morning brought the first foster dog.

It then transpired that this 2 yr old dog had had NO vaccinations; had a stomach upset; had a water infection, and was in heat. (We already knew she'd be in heat).

When I asked, the Rescue rep then admitted that 'maybe one or two' of the infections that the dog 'could' have picked up could be transmitted to humans.

It is 'normal' for a dog rescue to have no information about a dog up to and including not knowing that it hasn't had ANY vaccinations…?
This dog was taken from a 'private home' - yet came with no collar, no food, nothing!

Thanks for all your answers guys :)
This is absolutely normal. Rescue dogs are an unknown commodity in most cases. Even if they are owner surrenders, people lie about vaccinations and health all the time! If they are shelter pulls, they could have picked up anything in the shelter.
It is also normal to get a new foster to the vet to be treated and vaccinated. It is also normal to quarantine a dog until all possibility of anything infectious has been eliminated. This is just plain common sense.
Does your group not have a procedures manual for how to take in and vet a new dog, and how to introduce to your home? If not, maybe a suggestion to them to make one up would be helpful to all the volunteers.

I have had worse. I had a dog in quarantine for 2 1/2 months once. Ringworm, conjunctivitis, sarcoptic mange, kennel cough, you name it! And also not altered.

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February 27, 2010

Kieranlee999 @ 4:56 am

if they dont have any information about yes if the dog does not have a chip

but if it has a chip it should be on there its like a human medical record
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Geocyn @ 4:58 am

I can't answer for the UK,

I work with some animal rescue societies, and volunteer at the local SPCA, and generally the very first thing that is done is a health check and shots given if there is doubt about whether the dog has had them or not.

Something doesn't sound right about this

Good luck
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Soso @ 5:00 am

Maybe…..
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Buster @ 5:00 am

It isn't normal. All rescue centres should have access to a vet and no dog should leave the centre while it is ill. Make sure the rescue centre pay any vets bills from the infections it had when you got it.

It is usual though for there to be no vaccination record. A dog taken in off the streets doesn't usually have its paperwork with them.

Personally, I would call the R.S.P.C.A. and have them check the place out.
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MamaBas @ 5:02 am

Hum. Lots of questions back here! But first of all, there are very few infections that are inter-changeable with humans. Rabies being the most likely, although not relevant in the UK. I don't understand the Rescue Rep's comment here.

The tummy bug could be down to anything from something she's picked up from wherever she's been up until now, to a simple change of diet reaction. Not necessarily too much to be excited about, although it is annoying, and the cause needs to be found. Meanwhile don't overload her tummy - keep her on something bland (boiled rice and chicken would be my recommendation)

Water infection - cystitis? Presumably she's on medication to clear this. Provided normal hygiene protacol is observed, this is hardly likely to affect you - although again, it's a nuisance.

Being in heat - it happens And moving her around could well have brought her in. No doubt you have the facilities to keep her separated from any other males.

If Rescue didn't know about her shots, how did you find out? That's easily remedied. Get the vaccinations done - presumably Lab Rescue will pick up the tab?

I would just say that with the best will in the world, and the best of intentions, some Breed Rescues do leave a lot to be desired. (And by that I mean some people in Breed Rescues do not have the experience they should have when it comes to dealing with rescued dogs - their hearts are in the right place but that's about all - I'm speaking about my own experiences with my own Breed Rescue). Fostering won't necessarily mean you look after 'perfect dogs' by any means. These poor unfortunates, will come with baggage. I hope you are ready for that. I also hope you have the sort of set up that, if you have your own dogs, incoming foster dogs can be kept separate from your own dogs, at least to begin with. Just because they can walk in with any infection which will pass to your own dogs. And that includes where these fosters will be peeing and poohing. Otherwise you risk having some hefty vet bills to treat your own dogs.

Add - to the answer above - Breed Rescues are not like your normal 'rescue centre'. They are usually a group of people who agree to act as reps. across the country, to take in dogs of their particular breed (or arrange to have them kennelled somewhere - and yes, fostered out), until a new home can be found.
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Om Nom nom! @ 5:03 am

mmmmm

Something doesn't add up to me. Maybe it's different in the UK but only shady rescues do that in the US and they are usually ones you want to avoid.
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ginbark @ 5:05 am

Yes, most dogs are rescued from shelters as strays so have no history. The first thing the foster parent does it take it to the vet for shots, heartworm test, fecal, microchipping and schedule the neuter. Upset guts are very common from stress, different food, different water or poor health. I have no idea what a water infection is unless you mean an UTI but you can get few things from dogs unless you eat poop. Most of my fosters have been straight from a shelter to me then the vet. My last had no history but a broken leg so had to be neutered, vaccinated, heartwrom tested, chipped and have most of his teeth pulled. Some picky people in my rescue group only foster OGU's as they are afraid their dogs will catch something but I have rescued dogs for 32 yrs and only had 1 episode of ringworm spread to 1 of my guys and in 1 spot but I did medicate my entire crew. I have had Kennel cough and Parvo infected dogs but my healthy and vaccinated dogs do not get sick.
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anne b @ 5:09 am

This is absolutely normal. Rescue dogs are an unknown commodity in most cases. Even if they are owner surrenders, people lie about vaccinations and health all the time! If they are shelter pulls, they could have picked up anything in the shelter.
It is also normal to get a new foster to the vet to be treated and vaccinated. It is also normal to quarantine a dog until all possibility of anything infectious has been eliminated. This is just plain common sense.
Does your group not have a procedures manual for how to take in and vet a new dog, and how to introduce to your home? If not, maybe a suggestion to them to make one up would be helpful to all the volunteers.

I have had worse. I had a dog in quarantine for 2 1/2 months once. Ringworm, conjunctivitis, sarcoptic mange, kennel cough, you name it! And also not altered.
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Volunteer for a breed rescue. Don't understand the comment about some rescues leaving alot to be desired. We do not take in perfect dogs. If the dogs were perfect, there would be no reason to take them!

(H) @ 5:13 am

I wouldn't say that's normal at all.
It would be a little odd even if this dog was with someone that had experience with fostering, but seeing as you're new to it, it doesn't seem right at all. I'f talk to them about it
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anwen55 @ 5:15 am

Sadly, it's in the nature of rescue dogs for their origins, veterinary and innoculation status to be unknown - quite often they don't even know whether or not a b1tch has been spayed.

It's also common for them to have problems like those you've described.

I don't know what terms you've taken this b1tch on, but presumably you can take her for whatever treatment she needs and the Rescue will pay for it. When you foster a dog, you are taking it into a home situation and treating it as your own "temporary" dog, so you look after it as you would your own - feeding, exercise, grooming and, if it has problems, taking it to the vet. Only difference is, the rescue organisation should pay for any necessary treatment.

With normal everyday hygience precautions, you are far more likely to pick up an infection from another human than from a dog!
Add: Many breed rescues do not have a "Centre/Shelter". They operate by the good will of other owners and can only rescue dogs by having them accepted by fosterers who will bring them back to good health and report on their progress to help assess their suitability for rehoming.
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Jenny @ 5:24 am

We work with some rescues at my clinic. Usually, once the rescue group has an animal with an obvious condition, they will bring it to us before placing it with a foster. If the animal looks healthy otherwise, they generally don't have vaccines yet, but the fosters will usually bring the animals in and have that done during that first day or two. If the rescue knows that you have other dogs or cats in your home, they shouldn't be placing it with you until it's vaccinated and the other infections are cleared up.

This rescue sounds a little fishy to me, it's great that you are donating your house and time to help animals, but I might be finding another rescue to foster with! It's your home, health, and money that you are donating to these groups so you can decide who you want to work with and how.
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patty k @ 5:39 am

Not normal I work for a shelter and the first thing we do is scan for a chip. The vaccinate,heart worm check. We then monitor the dog for 5 days for health issues. We never,ever forster or put a dog up for adoption if it is ill. The animal must have a all clear.It is fairly normal for a stray not to have and information about the dog but like I dais we monitor the dog for some time to gain information.What infections could the dog have be transmitted to humans.i know of a few but they can be easily treated with meds.
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Shanna @ 7:14 am

Yep, that's normal, rescues often take in the strays that have no background on them. This is all part of doing rescue; sometimes you get dogs that aren't always in the best shape. I've had dogs spewing blood from their nose, covered in mange, not vaccinated, covered in fleas/ticks, throwing up, diarrhea, etc. You just have to be ready to keep those dogs away from your dogs until you can get vet care and make sure that you keep your dogs safe. I have a kennel on my porch where I keep un-vaccinated dogs or any dogs I'm afraid may transmit diseases to my dogs.
It's VERY rare that you could anything from a dog. Ringworm is about the only thing that I'd be afraid of getting. And most infections that are contagious are only an issue if you have a very depressed immune system, so I wouldn't worry about it.
Sometimes in rescue you get a totally trained, totally healthy owner turn in or find a gem in a shelter, but usually a rescue dog has some kind of issue when you get it, whether it's just that it needs to be house broken or some vet care. That's the point of fostering, is the getting the dog the care it needs before going to its new home.

However, you can always speak to them about your concerns and limitations. If you don't feel you can reasonably keep foster animals away from your animals you can always tell them you can only foster dogs that have had vaccinations and are safe to mingle with your dogs.

Added: I do have to say, for those saying it's not normal, it may not be normal for a shelter that has a vet on staff and gets the dogs vaccinated the moment the dogs walk in. But rescues are run by volunteers and often get animals that need some serious care. You don't usually want to vaccinate an animal that's not healthy. You get the dog healthy in foster care, then you vaccinate and adopt the dog out. Every rescue is different, but so is every animal you take in so it's often on a case by case basis. You can't say that a rescue is shady simply because it took in an un-vaccinated animal.
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The New Mrs. Nguyen @ 11:24 am

This does not sounds normal to me. The organization I foster with ALWAYS gets up to date with shots. If the dog doesn't have shot records, they automatically give it shots. They also should do a check-up at the vet and give you appropriate medications.

They don't always give food or a collar, but many times organizations offer to cover expenses if the foster requests (we pay for our own food, collars and toys, but its a tax write off.) They should definitely cover any vet bills.

To be honest, this doesn't sound like the best rescue organization. I'd look into a few others, because you don't want to end up stuck with enormous vet bills, or a sick dog, or a pregnant dog! or later on getting an aggressive dog…
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chrissyh @ 12:33 pm

This is definately not normal and certainly not acceptable.
All rescue dogs are routinely vaccinated,wormed,flead and treated for any illnesses,injuries or diseases before they would ever be put in foster care.
Also the rescue group will provide foster carers with food either weekly or monthly and enough supplied until their next visit.
This sounds a bit dodgy to me,maybe someone is trying to help dogs but is not a registered charity(and therefore has no right to rescue and foster dogs out)
I would recommend you phoning the RSPCA for advice,did the person provide you with any paperwork,did you sign anything?
If you wanted maybe you could adopt the dog yourself though you will need to pay for all treatments yourself.
No dog should be left without vaccinations,you can't take her out and therefore she can't start her road to recovery and socialising/training(as nobody knows what past she's had)
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My Father works for a registered animal resue charity(UK)
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Lorraine @ 12:41 pm

As Mamabas says, very few breed rescues have their own premises, and most either have foster homes that take dogs in straight from wherever they come from, or they, like us, rent out a certain number of kennels at an existing boarding kennels.

If they do this, then it would of been likely that they wouldn't accept her into the kennels being in season. It is a difficult one this. The private homes will often be saying "If you don't take this dog this week then she'll be put to sleep". Heard that so many times that it's like water off a ducks back. How awful is that, that those words no longer shock me.

As for the vets. My rescue would now have her to the vets asap for the relevant treatment including vaccinations. However, if she isn't well and in heat then they might of felt that she was not in good enough health to take vaccinations. They do need to be in peak condition really before a vet will do them.

So yes, it can be normal not to find out everything from a private home, and it is a risk we take when taking in fosters. I would say this is not that unusual, however, not so nice for your first foster.
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February 28, 2010

Lewis @ 3:48 am

Well, I all depends on where the dog has come from. If the dog has come from a HOME, the rescue should ask the owner for vet information about the dog. But if the dog was found stray there have no one to ask, so in this case NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE DOG.

Hope this Helped
Lewis
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